72% of young people......the decline of this country is on pace for absolute disaster...thankfully wwII vets are leaving so they don't have to see what we have become, had they known their sacrifice would lead to a godless country with total loss of morals I'm sure they would of just let the axis powers win....may the next terrorist bombing hit the aclu and the rest of you liberal pukes...

Gianni law, are you a Nazi? Just wondering. Next time tell us how you really feel.

absolutely correct. Same sex marriage is awfully odd and against common sense and natural order of life. Those who advocate this anormaly need to go leave in a different planet, because same sex mates never brought these loons and advocates into existence. If that is their choice, they should engage in it quietly in shame and disgust for their quire lifestyle of deviance. This same sex stunt is unsustainable because of its crudely raw.and animalistic instincts.
John Godson .

Perhaps John G. needs to realize that diversity is inevitable in a society consisting of more than one person. Is it just individuals who identify as GLBTQ that should have to go live on other planets or should we extend this to include anyone other than John himself?

It's time for John (and George) to realize that sexual relations, gender identification, etc. do not define a person. Identifying as GLBTQ is like saying you have red hair, enjoy reading, have caramel-colored skin., green eyes, are Catholic, etc. It's one characteristic that contributes to a person's identity. Although others may choose or be destined for different paths than our own, we must coincide in this one world. Although it would be easiest to send John to another planet rather than all the gays, I say we embrace his limited and out dated views and let him stay on Earth to witness homosexual love shared publicly without any shame or disgust.

@ Gianni Law - it's interesting how you correlate being gay with being liberal (and most likely democrat). There are plenty of republicans/conservatives out there who identify as GLBTQ. One "liberal" view or opinion does not make a person liberal. May the veterans you refer to rest in peace. Perhaps by embracing others and eliminating hate and fear we can one day live in a world that doesn't require violence to solve disputes (forever an idealist I know). Until then, lets remind Gianni to bless the fallen WWII veterans who identified as GLBTQ as it is not something new.

Well I can't make up my mind, Does Cardinal George look more like Uncle Festus or Curly....?

As the leader of Chicago Catholics, Cardinal George has a duty to tell his followers what being a good Catholic means. But that is not what he's doing. What he's doing is instructing Catholics to pressure legislators, and pressuring them himself, joined by like-minded clerics, to craft laws that force non-Catholics to follow Catholic doctrine.
That makes it everybody’s business. It is the right (duty?) of non-Catholics to resist religious notions being imposed on Illinoisans through law.

Festus

I believe in God but not in the greed and narrow-mindness of men! If you remember your religious traiing God loves everyone, he made everyone, and God doesn't make mistakes! Men make mistakes, they make foolish laws, rules, pronouncements on others. They are only Men like you and me. Let God sort it out.

Great1 more business for the divorce lawyers. And some of the splits will be great grist for the corrupt media mill.

In order to keep their tax-exempt status, religions are supposed to refrain from involvement in politics and legislation. Sounds like there are several religions that should start paying taxes! Further, marriage is often touted by social scientist and conservatives as the glue that holds society together. So why forbid anyone from getting married? OR, to paraphrase Mark Twain ( I think!), let everyone get married so that we can all be miserable together!

The moral decline is promoted in blatantly sexual television programs and print media...children are seeing this and " normalize" abnormal behavior. Even 20 years ago the behaviors being promoted now. Ie. interracial marriage and homosexuality etc. would have been unthinkable...churches are closing across the country for lack of attendance. We have mass shooting if school children cities have increasing violence. Christmas displays are prohibited...The country is morally and monetarily bankrupt....

America has become the land of the LIARS ! It's acceptable to fail and when you do just Lie everything will be alright your gov't will take care of you. Morals do not exist in America today!

Cardinal George seems to equate marriage with sex, neither of which he knows much about from a practical point of view. Marriage between two loving people is much more. I'm sorry he sees only the sex part.

http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnwonline/2013/0106/cardinal.aspx
Step out of the matrix. The truth shall set you free.

Thank you for printing this and keeping us informed. The wonderful thing about listening to God is that He Who made us actually gives us the road map back home to Him in Heaven. He actually tells us, truthfully, everything we need to know and do and how to do all things. He created each one of us with a conscience in order to help us. And he gives each of us a heart with which to love. I'm following Him and His ways!

Everyone just say yes or no. And one reason why you support or oppose. I can't read that we'll, but I really want to be informed. I'm living in a purple or blue state. Wisconsin since may 2010. But I'm from Illinois, and would like to be back within two months. But I'm not sure exactly how Illinoisans really feel about religion, morals, sexuality, and as someone put it, truth. Please tell me what's going on? BTW- I'm neutral. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Or leave them out.

Separation of church and state. The cardinal can say whatever he wants but the common good promotes stability and happiness. I have no problem with gay marriage.

What about everybody skipping out on income tax increases. That's immoral. We are receiving government services. Like social services, etc. if a gay couple takes in a needy kid, and provides some structure for the kid, I see nothing wrong with being gay. I love gay people. Only thing is when the ridiculously rich kids misuse power over us average kids. I can't even read intellectual or highly educated reports. What happened to benevolence in the world. Rich kids used to help kids like me. Now I'm more likely to be bullied, and shamed by life. And I'm 38. But I'm guessing in dogs years about 14.

next up.........people 'marrying' their pet monkey or dog....count on it!

I hope the bill gets passed. I'm moral, and I know right from wrong. I think we can handle seeing gay love in Illinois. I remember the world being a better place with the presence of love. I'm all for freedom. :)

Would make life easier. At least you are informed. That's a good thing to know. I think gay marriage is a God send. It's all I've wanted.
Harriet Tubman
' I freed 10,000 slaves, would've freed a thousand more if they knew they were slaves.'

Too funny. After the "sins" the Catholic Church have demonstrated... hypocrisy, misogyny, and remember that war when the pope turned a blind eye on the holocaust? Then there's child molestation, cover-ups, still no equality for women (god forbid?)... and this is based on a changing story about virgin births and water walking. But if that's your moral authority, go ahead, I won't stop you. I'll question your sanity but I won't stand in your way. You may not stand in the way of my LGBTQ brothers and sisters either. Get over your righteousness. You have no grounds. What. So. Ever.

I see the usual bigots are showing up hiding behind religion. I was raised a Christian but left the church because of the hypocrisy. You speak of brotherly love and express your hatred with your bigoted remarks. Have you ever heard of separation between church and state? Everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness and equal treatment under the law. The tide has changed and there will be gay marriage eventually. Thankfully the younger generation is more enlightened and will help to wrong the rights of old school religious zealots.

A lot of good marriage rights (gay or straight) will do for you when our economy collapses. I guess you can watch each other starve to death?
There are hundreds of more important legislative priorities right now.

Being a Christian doesn't indicate your position on equality. Such as gay marriage. I'm still a Christian, I'm not sharing, blocking, greedy, mean, cruel, person. That's my capacity.

I'm not a hater.

While many straights are forgoing marriage and children, the gays have yet to learn to be careful what you wish for. I suppose they want it for insurance, banking and estate purposes. Otherwise common law would suffice. Passing a llaw is necessary only because of other laws passed previously. Sort of the law of unintended consequences. I doubt that this whole issue has little to do with love, social stability or all of that stuff. This is about money, like most other issues.

I pray for world peace.

The Tax Free status of the Catholic Church should be reviewed since the Cardinal is preaching political positions. Also, natural order? His stance is basically that there should also be a fertility test before a straight couple can get married. If they are unable to bear children, they can't get married. Adoption? His position does not consider that either.

There have been many good points made in many comments above. The issue is very simple. Most people. even many Priests either do not know what the Church teaches or they are afraid to stand up for their beliefs. The Church does teach, that NOBODY has a right to tell anyone who too love. God is Love, we are created by Love, to Love and be loved. However, there are two requirements for sex to be ordered morally. 1, sex needs to be mutually satisfactory. 2, it needs to be open to procreation. Ergo, sex is only morally ordered in a marraige between a woman and a man. Even if they cannot have children, it is still ordered as it is open for both requirements. According to the teachings of the Church, premarital sex is wrong for the very same reason as gay sex. I am not against legal union where gay people in a committed relationship have the same legal rights. I do however agree with the Church. That marraige is NOT to be redefined. The Church loves gay people as much as hetero people.

If it was true that the church loved gay people as much as heterosexual people there wouldn't be this discussion. Gay people wouldn't be afraid to come out to family, friends and employers. If your're gay you understand what I'm saying. If your straight you have never felt the pain of rejection from family and friends. There is a reason why the suicide rate is much higher with gay youth.

John Kerr, sex goes hand and hand with marraige. You cannot seperate the two. As for as natural law is concerned, just because there are many other species that are are gay, does not have anything to do with what we are talking about. Taking religion out of this, natural law dictates that sex is made for love and procreation. All we need to do is look at the physical make up of all beings, especially those made in the image and likeness of God. As far as seperation of Church and State is involved, all we need to do is look around at this world... Our own city and State. Once God is removed, and it does not have to be my God, but once God is removed from even the Pledge of Allegience, look what we are left with. In the past 6 months, there were over 300 killed in Chicago. In Iraq there were roughly 225. The pension fund is under by almost 80B. We have the strictest gun control laws. If you ask me, and nobody did, but I will comment on it anyway, we NEED to bring God back into schools. Also, if the Church did not lobby, and was such a part of fighting Civil Rights, there would still be different drinking fountains for different colors...I know I addressed a few different issues here, and was a bit all over the place, but the point is we NEED God back into our schools, and Government.

The Cardinal George is 100% right... Same sex marriage is without a doubt AGAINST the conmon good... I don't care what the gays do between one another, but their "Ways of LIfe" should most certainly NOT be honored or praised... Children will see that "Stuff" in public and get confused and mixed signals BEFORE they are of age to make a decision on their own... Being gay is NOT normal... You will NEVER see a rooster chasing another rooster on a farm either!

Like it or not there will be gay marriage eventually. I hope all you haters are around to witness it.

RB, It does not matter if a couple can have children. The fact remains that they are open to it. In order for something to be true, there can be no contradictions. Major premis, minor premis, conclusion. Here is a good example.. I think we can all agree that ALL human life has the right to life, right?(minor premis). A fetus(zygote) is a human being at the lowest stages of actualization, it is not a dog, a cat, or a flower, but a human life at the beginging stages of life(major premis). Therefore, a fetus has the right to life(conclusion). Just thought I would open another can of worms...

Treatment if poor people is worse. That's where my compassion comes from for gay people.

You can't Marry or mate with one that abhors your very existence. When their touch feels like the flames of hell, and evil escapes their eye at every glare of you, and nothing but rot comes from their mouth. I find gay people to be cool, nice personality, lively, fun, creative, wealthy and compassionate. I can't handle hate sex, a day longer. A baby would not conceive of an environment negative like that either, not if its my flesh and blood. Don't do that to a child.

Read "The Hidden Hitler" to understand Hitler's values. You will find it in the Highland Park Public Library.

All humans have the right to live, but they shouldn't have the right to change the laws of the land that will ultimately AFFECT children, because being gay is NOT normal, nor should it be displayed in public... GROSS!!!

A lot of bitter comments from both sides of the fence which shows just how human we all are.
Neither side is perfect, thank God, but name calling and ridicule have no room in this conversation between adults. The immature have already revealed themselves which shows their comments make no sense.
Respect for the human race is essential & our world is slowly chipping away b/c of our lack of. Everyone is different, thank God, but this generation of narcissism is simply reverting us back in the ages. We are showing our true colors and I find it very sad.

Gays can already marry in Illinois. Don't believe me? How about if a Gay Man marries a Lesbian Woman? If Illinois prevents a gay guy from marrying another, it would be prejudicial and against the principle of equality under the law. Preventing a 'same sex' person from marrying another is also prejudicial since the reason cited is that the couple could not conceive. Oh heavenly father, Cardinal George, numerous opposite sex couples cannot conceive also, should their marriages be extinguished? George, where was your God when a nutcase shot 20 children a few weeks ago, was he overwhelmed with worry about gays marrying each other? Overall, isn't it better to allow persons to decide for themselves who does the dishes and who does the laundry?

Harry Gio your comments are completely ignorant. There actually ARE roosters chasing roosters, homosexuality has been documented in over 2,500 animal species. Who are you to say what is normal and what is not?

GROSS!!!

For those who are interested, here's one reader's response to the cardinal's letter: http://evanston.patch.com/blog_posts/dear-cardinal-george

I just want to come back to Illinois because of the busses and trains. My car was stolen this summer.
In Wisconsin where I live we don't have buses or trains. Please pass me a bus ticket home. Send me a ride home. Soon. Plus I like it there.

Sorry you became a cheesehead Melanie. Just start walking south.

I hope God will make every crooked place straight.
I hoped that things will be sorted, and all just actions will take place. Nothing ridiculous. Only truth, soundness, and nothing fundamentally wrong or off. Only to love and forgive, and to share. Hoping being gay doesn't promote fundamental immorality and that they don't threaten values of humanity.

I always wanted to know, what's a cheesehead? Don't say a Wisconsinite. Please..

Watch an at home Greenbay Packers game. The fans wear styrofoam hats that look like big blocks of cheese. Wisconsin is known as a state of cheese makers.

Lets get it right please. Send me home to Chicago. Right away. Right away. :)

That's fundamental folly.

Melanie,
Stay up nort. I would trade spots with you if i could. It's awsome up there, you just need to embrace. Where the hell were you yesterday? We needed your help in the"should patch publish gun owners addresses" column.
Jennifer Fisher, your the best! Keep up the good work and show these other patch rookies how It's done. I always look forward to your links. Thanks again "Great Gazoo"

Harry Gio the only thing gross here is your ignorance. You're just jealous that others are getting action and no one wants to be with your ignorant self.

I don't like it here. I'm a slave.

Isn't this kidnap?

How can you say Chicago isn't north? Don't be rude.

I agree that there is and should be gay union. I do not agree that we redifine marraige, at all. The Church in fact does love gay people. Again, the Church teaches that nobody or institution has the right to tell anyone who to love. But there are things that are right and wrong. One of the major problems in this Country is the GREAT lack of morality. If we say that whatever you do is ok as long as it does not hurt me is not making a moral choice. Therefore, it is the same as making a wrong choice. The Catholic Church has done a lot of the gay community. But to approve of something that does not follow the requirements for sex to be right, or ordered towards the good, is in fact wrong. Too say because the Church does not approve of sex outside of marraige, which is wrong for the same reason gay sex is, is the cause of suicide is wrong. The Church is not responsible for the incredible tragedy of young gay teenagers committing suicide. In fact the opposite is true, the Church is trying to prevent that from happening. This Country is in such a mess because we do not stand up anymore and make moral choices. The only absolute truth that many people beleive is that there are no absolute truths. That is sad. People wonder why there is such evil in this world. With the focus on the human soul, not what we do, or what we have, but who we are, we can begin to stop evil from running rampant in our families, and communities. We need to stand up to evil, by making ordered, moral choices.

Enough of no love'
Keyshia Cole

Pimpin ain't easy'

No women, no cry
Bob Marley

The Church is not trying to control weak minded people. That insulting and riduclous comment is so full of logical fallacy it is almost entertaining. Where was God during the killing of innocent youth in Conn.? God had nothing to do with that. We were created in His image and likeness, which means we have the ability to know and see things as they are, we can judge things to be what they are. Also, we have free will. When God, not religion, but GOD, is taken out of school, and emphasis is placed on what you have or do as opposed to our essence, our souls, then we live in a world full of evil...Turn on the news, open a news paper, we see proof everyday, all day. The Church does more for the poor then ANY institution in the world by the way. That is factual. We do need more Love in this world. Love with a capital L. Love with a capital L is another term for God. Things will not change in this Country if we do not bring God back into our lives. It is good you turned out good without beleiving in God as you say. But you know a tree by its fruit. Not by how big it is. Your God does not have to be mine. Religious institutions need to be reformed. To bring God back into them. But real beleivers and leaders have the right and obligation to teach this society to make moral decisions. To live moral lives. JC., what makes you a free thinker and not me, or anyone else on here? What is it that differentiates you as a free thinker as say, me? Would like to hear that logical answer?

Acording to your bible god himself is responsable for the death of millions!
I will not worship your god , Nor would I ever trust his minions.

As I thought you did not answer my question. I bet you voted Dem....LOL. Really though, I didnt think you would answer. I never mentioned the bible. I repeatedly said, my God does not have to be yours. I never mentioned scripture at all. I defend what Cardinal George and the Church has the right and obligation to do.Personally I think many of the Church hierarchy are criminals for obstructing justice. But mostly spoke in spiritual and philosophical terms. So again, what makes you a free thinker and not me?? Or anyone that disagrees with you. Interesting!!!

Boy, J C, you know it all. Maybe you are God and we just don't know it yet.

Well the whole concept of an all powerful sky daddy is rooted in fear and superstition.
So no I am the last person you would see in that role.

The Unmoved Mover, as or God, is rooted in Love, not fear. Nor superstition.

Faith is a gift. Obviously some people don't have any which is OK as long as they are certain of their logic. Probably can't be wrong. Nah!

I can't think. Food tastes weird. I'm not free. I'm stuck in Wisconsin. Why did God let me come here? I can't figure out how to leave without a car. I would walk to Chicago. Which is 5 hours driving. But in the north woods of Wisconsin we have wild life. Bob cats, coyotes, wolves, deer could be dangerous if you get too close. Bear, cubs, crows, angry birds, predators. I swear I want to walk to Chicago. Maybe not. Maybe it's all a lie about the north woods. I did see a panther, and a wolf. While driving nearby. A wasp landed on my finger and tickled me once. Is it too dangerous to walk home? I would leave everything here. I might walk out soon. I need a route to highway 73. From old 8 road in prentice Wi. I can figure it all out when I get some where familiar.

This letter to the Cardinal by a wife and mother says it all....

http://deerfield.patch.com/blog_posts/dear-cardinal-george#comments

Well said Jim. Faith is a gift that is freely given, but also must be freely received. Philisophically speaking, Socrates built on what Plato wrote. Aristotle took that further by writing that every action has an end, that end is either towards the good or towards evil. Aquinas took it a step further by writing of the good and made it God. As he wrote to the philisophical proof for the existence of the Unmoved Mover, which he called God, all our actions are now directed towards the good which is God. Everything we do is directed towards God or evil. Also, because we live in community, my actions have a ripple effect that affect your lives. And vice versa. We take God out of our intitutions, however you define Him, out of the picture this is what we wind up with, a world full of selfish, evil world. Our children are being slaughtered in there schools. I am grateful I accepted the gift of Faith. I also see how people can live good and moral lives based on a set of virtues not values, but virtues. Values are subjective. Virtues are true, for everyone all the time. Again, I have loved ones that are gay, i do not feel any different about them then I do hetro people. I also agree with gay union. I want my cousin to be able to have the same legal rights with his lover as we have. However, I absolutly dissagree with changing the definition on marriage. Civilly or Morally. We need to bring Morality back.. We need to bring choice back Choice based on things that are absolutly true.

I'm watching the view. Will tune in later. :)

The View'

I love you.

And Talk'
I'm watching The Talk'

Matt,

Unfortunately there are many who do not struggle with philosophy and/or moral theology. Ask someone if it can be raining and not raining at the same place and the same time and many will say yes. Best in that case to move on to another conversation. So many have a closed mind to anything except what "feels" good and unfortunatel a lot of that is centered in their genitals. Remember, no rules, just rights. Seems to me The United States is becoming atower of Babel. By the time it comes down in chaos, no one will know why and it will be too late.

I'm watching Ellen, what did I miss?

I think the world abhors fat people more than gay people . It's pretty bad. Aw and the other most hated group in the world is poor people. The scape goats of society. I'm fat and poor, and I'm not a victim. I still live people anyway.

Love people I meant.

I'm grateful for this blog. Someone to talk to.

50% of marriages end in divorce. Bring morality back? So, you're saying that preventing a committed couple from marrying is bringing morality back? Seems to me this moral 'majority' should take a look at their own house before they prevent someone from getting married. Catholic doctrine should have nothing to do with civil law. If a Catholic Church wants to opt out of marrying a gay couple they can do so. They already bend the rules so many times to marry straight couples who 'annul' a 20 year marriage so they can say they didn't get a divorce and thus remain active in the church. Talk about hypocritical!

Well there was a time when the church ruled the land, And kings were beholden to the pope...What we commonly refer to today as. "THE DARK AGES"

Gays really don't care about being accepted by the church it concerns legal rights.

My Church welcomes Gays and Gays are very active contributing members in Church. It's a personal choice and not as a broad statement that "gays dont care whether they are accepted by the church". Many Gays believe in God and worship, many don't. Kind of like society in general. Some churches don't welcome Gays. Regardless, any Church should not control civil law. Separation of church and state.

Separation of church and state.

I don't trust either of them

Neither do I.

That is right...The Church does need reform. Carol is right, and I think it is something we all agree. My cousin and his lover are both Catholic. They do not care if they are married in the Church. Like I said a few times above, I am for all gays having the same legal rights as hetero's. But NOT redefining marriage. What does divorce and the other stuff have to do with making this world a better place. By acknowledging the fact there are absolute truths we all need to adhere too and live moral lives based on the human soul being the focus of this world and not what the human does, or is or has which is where the focus is now.

People are really worried about the world falling apart? I think it depends on your time zone.

You think things would matter if I had a good education apparently?' I'm happy for the meek training on life that I have. Can't miss what you don't have I guess. I want to know what it feels like though. To be able to avoid pitfalls, and dictate your own path. And to make a decision.

Why are people negating humanistic functions? People do have desires, and only perfect people can not succumb to fleshly desires and remain intact socially. This conversation is so strict. When in Rome do as the Romans. If your born roman, then so what. The world won't end when babel falls. It falls all the time. Sometimes you have to become the monster before you can defeat it. Get it? I don't really define myself as nothing but human really.

Being mischievous has nothing to do with being gay, most of the people in this conversation judging and making people want to avoid you.

The world is a stage and we are all actors'
William Shakespeare
Britney Spears

Can anyone see my point? Being treated less than because I'm a woman that isn't properly educated or beautiful. Thank God I'm not, otherwise this is what I would have to face daily. And I'm the crazy one here? Maybe I should just keep hiding in the woods in Wisconsin. To get a new perspective. Can't believe men are so mean outwardly. And in print. No words. There's a new breed of them too in Illinois . Be aware, and avoid them. They spew evil and their outlook is just dark. That's education I guess.

Guess I'm crazy for misspelling words, and poorly educated. I was the first to say I don't read well. And use lay mans speech. It's fine. At least I said positive things about gay marriage. And beware of random people that degrade others whenever they please. Otherwise nice posting. And everyone be blessed. :)

Thank you. JC I don't k ow what to say.

Why anyone would care what a Cardinal, or anyone who has risen to a level of authority in the Catholic Church as it exists today, has to say is beyond me. This institution has about as much to do with the teachings of Jesus as our mass media has with critical thinking. If pedophilia and outright suppression of women (nuns do most of the good work in the name of the Church, but their struggle for equality is continually rebuked by these outrageously pompous and entitled men in robes) weren't enough to make people walk away, then what hope is there of seeing them give their "blessing" to gay people who wish to marry? Get over it people. Walk away from this psychopath-infested institution. Jesus isn't there. He's in you...and he'll cheer you on when you make the break.

Bill Maher thinks the pope and the cardinals are gay because they wear long dresses, fancy hats and lots of expensive jewelry.

What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their biz. Frankly I don't want to know or constantly hear about it: hetero or homo. We are entitled to religious freedom. Catholic doctrine not only compells but requires the Cardinal and all Catholics to prosletize. Yes many Catholics don't agree w/ the Cardinal/ and doctrine. However, it is doctrine based on the common fact that the propagation of our human species depends on the joining of a man and woman. Statically, the best outcome arises from them being in a committed relationship as defined by the covenant of marriage. While there are instances of homosexuality in the animal world, we are not animals! We have reason- common sense that places us at the top of the food chain for our ultimate survival. We enjoy great freedom in the USA which enables us to love whom we choose even if it defies the common sense of natural law or religious doctrine. Do we really want govt meddling any further w/ either?

The idea is not a Reilgious arguement. We can certainly go into a religious argument. But in order for us to do it we need to base it on fact, not opinions. The fact is the Church does NOT subjugate women. According to the Catholic Church women are just as important as men. They do however say that there are differences between men and women, equal, but different. Therefore men and women have different roles. One is not more important then the other. Some would argue that the woman's role in the Church is more important then the men. There is also NO doubt that the leaders of the Church have made EVIL decisions through the 2013 yr history of the Church. That does not negate the Truth of what She teaches. It is the Sacraments that keep me Catholic. Not the Holy Father, or Priests or Nuns. Faith and reason go hand and hand. Unfortunately for some, faith and reason are not dead. No matter what I think of the Cardinal, I see where he as an obligation to stand up and lobby for what the Church teaches. Also, if the Church did not like gay people, we would have a lot less Cardinals, Priests and Nuns. The interesting thing so far to me in these posts, is that most do not talk about their opinions being backed by fact. Most of the responses to my posts have not been based in logic or reasonable arguments. Just opinions. None of the questions I asked of others have been answers directly. I do not care if people disagree with me, as long as they have facts to back what they say.

look above in previous posts...I am interested if anyone actually knows what the Church teaches about sex? What is it that makes sex morally correct?

Millie, what facts would you like me to discuss?

Just for the record. I believe gay men and women should have a legal union to have the same legal rights as my wife and I do. I do not believe that we should change the definition of marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is a difference there. So, again, none of the questions I asked were answered directly, so what logical facts would you like to discuss?

The Cardinal may be correct about the common good. Time will tell. My guess is that "marriage" like "education" will be dumbed down and that folks who don't want to be included inh that melting pot will find a new way to form a union perhaps with a new definition and new laws to govern the financial and other legal issues. Something like 46% of all births are out of wedlock presently.

I am fascinated by some of the veiled anti-religious tone of some posts. Hard to tell if they are anti God or just ant-religious. But who can name a human orgainization free of stupidity or corruption or evil or all three. For those who are not determinists, I can only say that without evil there would be no free will. Without free will there would be no God. Of course some would say that a television does indeed show signs of intelligent design but that the universe does not.

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