Agreed.

Planned Parenthood "woman's health clinics" rip a baby out of the womb every minute and a half.

In less than an hour, they will kill more babies than were killed in the Newtown shootings. Yet, the liberal media will not talk about that.

Oh. and in the next hour, they will do it again. Where is the outrage? There's been a lot of talk since Newtown about protecting innocent children, yet these same people cannot see the forest for the trees.

As a pro-life woman, I agree with you! These polls are "skewed," to promote their liberal agenda. It's unfortunate that people don't educated themselves and see exactly what they are killing...their tiny little baby! This may be the only way to change hearts.

No question about it; there is a palpable slide in the general decency of this country that can be traced back to 1973.

The fact that Roe is now Pro-Life must drive the Libs insane (or more insane, as the case may be).

"rammed through their state governments"

That's interesting. So when the GOP has a majority and passes laws, they are rammed through but when the Dems do the same thing it's "the will of the people"? No, you didn't spell that out, but i've seen that argument plenty of times.

Abortions isn't killing babies? When you see an ultrasound of a fetus, you don't see that as a baby? You don't think that life is worth protecting? Is it not 'vulnerable'? Don't we always protect our most vulnerable?

Abortion is not my issue, yet as i get older, i see the hypocrisy of those on the left. The liberals who will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to move and replant a tree from a future construction site to save it's valuable 'life', but don't mind the baby killing machine that is Planned Parenthood, an organization that rips fetuses from wombs and crushes them as if they were merely weeds.

It's interesting to see just how misinformed these people are. I'm guessing their main sources of information are Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

330,000 lives snuffed out by Planned Parenthood on our dime was a number somehow made up by Limbaugh? Nice attempt to keep your head in the sand.

Sure thing Mac! Limbaugh and Breitbart know everything and are the most truthful, ethical guys on the planet.

I would say that those who are rabidly anti-abortion are people with common sense. Google '4D Ultrasound' for more insight.

Isn't that the basic principle on how taxes end up working? Sometimes your percentage will go towards things you don't like or don't agree with. If it makes you feel better can't you say that X amount of your money is going towards the roads and whatever politicians you support?

No, I'm not aware of this basic principle, do tell.

Abortions---contraceptives--abortion pills ?? that is going to raise the insurance premiums for seniors----and others who do not have abortions, why should we be forced to pay higher premiums so irresponsible women can have free abortions ??? And I'm a Democrat--or--was.. I stopped being a Democrat last year when Obama gave work permits to anchor babies.

Tax payers will also be paying for the illegals healthcare costs, by giving them subsidies.

Oooh, impressive McCloud- getting YOUR information from Breitbart. You may not lie, Mac (which is debatable), but Breitbart.com does.

Really? so Planned Parenthood does not do abortions or take taxpayer money?

The polls are skewed to promote a liberal agenda. I am a woman who feels that God would never associate Himself with Planned Parenthood who kill tiny little babies every day.

Hyde behind your amendment, but here is reality. McCloud don't lie.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/08/A-Joyful-Planned-Parenthood-We-Aborted-Over-333-000-Babies-In-2011

Ya know, Oliver, you're absolutely right! Let's start fighting to keep back-alley abortionists employed!

No; actually it was a brick in the wall of destroying the moral fiber of this country. "America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." - Josef Stalin. Yep; pretty much!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/undermine.asp

Right on, Oliver... you hit the nail on the head. Protect the back-alley'ers, someone has to watch out for them!

All sarcasm aside, how many women, knowing the dangers of the coat-hanger method of abortion, chose to carry the child to full term because they didn't want to risk death? How many children and women were saved (physically and mentally) because of this fear? Now it's "safer" in a clinic with a medical profession, making the decision a little "easier".

Hey, wasn't this group started by the bottom feeders at MoveOn.com?

No.

Wrong again, McCloud.

I'm sure they are an unbiased group of scholars who just happen to all be liberal Democrats. One thing is for sure, "Planned Parenthood received $542.4 million in “government health services grants and reimbursements,” including “payments from Medicaid managed care plans.” You can look that one up with one of your factcheck liberal friends.

As you can see, McCloud, when you state facts, the liberals disappear. Case in point--Sully (below). He has no argument when you present facts.

By the way, I am a pro-choice female. I do not like the taxpayers paying for abortions OR contraceptives for IRRESPONSIBLE FEMALES. Sandra Fluke be damned!!

And the name-calling! Referring to you as McClod and McCluck! This is what liberals do! But you can damn well bet they wouldn't like it if you did it to them!

It is funny how Libs often resort to childish name-calling on these comment boards......I guess if someone can't handle putting an intelligent response down they regress back to their inner grammar-school selves.

...and Margaret Sanger was a known racist.

Oh my, Abigail. You got me.

"U.S. taxpayers were forced to fund $542.4 million of Planned Parenthood’s $1.199 billion budget". So you are against woman who can't afford their own doctor being provided health screenings, mammograms, tests for cervical cancer, etc. or are you saying 100 percent of the money they get is used for abortions? (You know,they do vasectomies too). So McCloud, Abigail, do you know the case histories of the all the women seeking abortions? The number of those who were raped or victims of incest?
The number of women who had medical complications? How many were unwed teens who fell "in love", just to have the male split when she got pregnant? And believe it or not, because it is legal, some women who can't afford a child right now have to make the hardest decision of their lives because they can't take care of or provide for a child. Abortion is not a method of birth control despite someone above saying it is. Take your holier than thou attitudes somewhere else. Oh, and Abby- what about the IRRESPONSIBLE MEN who got these women pregnant? You do know you also have to have a man to create a baby, don't you?

Vicky, you mean taking what Breitbart, Beck, and Limbaugh say as gospel? That's intelligent?

By the way, "regress back" is redundant.

Really?

McClown does not use his Frontal Lobe at all. This should be obvious. His reactions and 'thinking' are solely the work of his Hind or Reptillian brain. Personally, I get a great deal of satisfaction from knowing that he will die having never progressed or evolved beyond the primative state of consciousness. That is Justice with a capital J.

So who gets the $542.4 million/yr in taxpayer money? Your imagination?

It ay be a loophole to state it this way, but being a publicly funded clinic would mean that the money is to be used for other services, building upkeep, salaries, etc. Not to cover the medical cost of an abortion.

Yep, flushed out another liberal contributing to the culture rot. Why all the deception? Next time just come out of the liberal closet right away.

Jane, do you have any thoughts about the woman (singular) who brought forth the lawsuit that gave us the decision in Roe (that woman) vs Wade?

She is older and wiser now and regrets killing her unborn child. Her views on abortion have evolved. She is not "anti-choice" as you termed it here, instead, she is "pro-life".

As i mentioned before, abortion is not a hot button issue for myself. The reason i offer my two cents is because i find it totally hypocritical that the ...oh so compassionate, child loving, liberals have no problems with ripping a fetus from a womb like it was a tumor. It does not reconcile. Liberals don't like to talk about this conundrum. It doesn't fit their narrative. If you know liberals, they are ALL about the narrative.

People change their minds on many things. If she hadn't brought it forth, there is a good chance someone else may have.

Dan, she didn't actually have an abortion. She is anti abortion now, but seems to be whatever she needs to be in order to make money.

Why should I have to pay for something that I deem as murder?

Didn't a woman just die after having an abortion at Planned Parenthood in Chicago a couple of months ago? I thought abortions were supposed to be 'safe'........

"..It is really disturbing to me to see all you men against abortion. "

i didn't care when i was 20 and a liberal. i care now because i am older, wiser and value life.

Please don't complicate the issue by bringing up instances of rape... the majority of anti-abortion advocates favor allowing a rape victim to have an abortion.

You are correct, Pete; laws regarding the responsibilities of the M.I.A. fathers of these children need a drastic overhaul; wish that it could be done even half as quickly as Obama shoved through gun control. This is the elephant-in-the-room issue that rarely gets brought up or addressed.

Why would it be traumatizing experience? if you feel the way you do. It would be like removing a mole or something, right?

Pete, have you seen pictures of an ultrasound?

When people see those pictures, do they say "what an adorable fetus". or "that fetus is precious."

No. they refer to the 'thing' in the picture as a baby.

Pete, have you seen pictures of ultrasounds where the 'baby' is clutching an object? Priceless. As is life.

Why do you want freedom and protections for women but not for babies?

Apparently Libs do, Dan; and they have fetus registries at Bloomie's.

Pete, no, i am not a woman, but as far as not being the gov't goes, i believe that the gov't belongs to US, we do not belong to the gov't.

That being said, you make some good points. I certainly would never deny an abortion to a woman who was sexually assaulted, and don't have any authority to stop one otherwise. Yes, if a woman wants to abort her baby, she has that choice.

Thank you for the touching and personal input. I think your outlook speaks for a lot of people.

Well said, Delenn. It's awful that woman who have been sexually assaulted have to make that decision..and at such a young age. If i were sheriff, your attacker would not be 'packing a piece' right now and would probably be able to buy smaller pants.

Thank you Delenn for sharing your unfortunate and moving story. I wish more women would stand up and share their stories. I concur that we should focus our energies on preventing pregnancies rather than eliminating abortion. Comprehensive, accurate, age appropriate sex ed at all schools is a critical first step. Access to contraception is a critical second step. With both of these steps in place, abortion will be dramatically reduced - this has been scientifically proven.

Well said, Delenn. The issue of abortion is very complex and difficult. This is not any easy decision to make but the choice must be available to women and girls, without intrusion by unthinking people.

Excellent post. Thank you.
Indeed, it is a PERSONAL decision. Making it a safe option is by no means "pushing" a product. It just makes for a full range of options to consider. NO ONE has the right to withhold a choice.

I think to settle this once and for all the supporters of abortion rights should submit a new amendment to the Constitution:

"The right of the people to an abortion, shall not be infringed."

Has a certain ring to it doesn't it? That would make it VERY clear for all generations in the future that the right to an abortion is one of the bedrock principles on which the country is built, and no one could ever interpret this to mean anything other than what it clearly states, no matter what technical advances or changes in society occur in the future.

... or to answer your question directly, we just pass the same kind of "common sense compromise" laws that are being written up to restrict certain guns. No one seems to be worried about how many law abiding innocent people will find themselves prosecuted by those new laws, so we just have the same benevolent people who wrote the guns laws write up some laws restricting abortions and it'll all work out somehow.

It's all "common sense". What could go wrong?

Wait! I got it. I know you will approve of this method!

We can let Republicans write the new abortion laws in secret with no input from any Democrats. We can then let the Republicans use federal dollars buy off enough Republicans to clear the way for the new law. It will then be passed at 1 am on a Sunday morning before anyone has a chance to read it. If anyone complains about transparency we just tell them "We have to pass it to find out what's in it".

After it's passed, the Supreme Court can then rule that the bill is just a harmless lil' ole tax and that anyone who doesn't obey the new law can be taxed into oblivion. No Constitutional issues here. It's all for the common good. Move on!

THAT'S how things are done in this country.

Abortion is murder, period. My tax money is being used to pay for murder. In addition, Obamacare makes everyone pay for abortion, murder, in their insurance. There are 330.000 abortions paid for by the taxpayer per year just from Planned Parenthood alone. How many of those were pregnancies from rape or incest?

And Dick Cheney used my tax dollars to start a war in Irag based on lies. Crap happens.

Mac, simple question. How long should the 14 year old be locked away? The mother? The Doctor? The Nurse?

Mac, how long should the 14 year old girl go to prison for having an abortion? The Doctor? The Nurse? The mother? You want abortion to be illegal. What's the penalty for having an abortion? Murder? 1st degree?

Vicky, what's the prison term length that you want to give a 14 year old girl who gets an abortion? Do you people understand that there will be penalties associated with these laws you want? Does the Doctor go to prison too? The mother who pays and drives her? How about the landlord? All these people are aiding 'murder' in your eyes. How long? Is it 1st degree murder? They certainly planned ahead. How about the high school senior on her way to Harvard or Yale? How long of prison term for her? Does her friend who drives her also get prosecuted?

Vicky, Elementary school aged children will say it is a baby. They, after all, are elementary aged children. They have not studied enough science yet to understand the various stages of cell development. They can't say fetus because they do not know the word yet. They will say baby based on a shape. Shapes they understand. Also...let us not forget that kids do, in fact, lie...and they grow up to be politicians.

The ones that lie grow up to be Libs....and they are so deluded that they believe their own b.s..

RB, not sure; what penalties are being doled out to the ones tossing their babies into a dumpster these days?

Not knowing the proper terms isn't lying Vicky. You show that same group a picture of a dolphin or whale and the majority will call that a fish. That doesn't make it true.

A fetus only has more value until it's actually born. After that, who the hell cares? Just as long as THEIR taxes aren't paying for the baby's health care or for the education it will receive when older, and for gosh sakes, put that juvie in jail (or make 'em join the military so THEIR kids don't have to go fight in a war with no meaning).

Thanks for the clarification. Your secret passion for me is way too obvious. I may need to get a restraining order on your ass.

Just Sayin, your comment is thoughtful and carefully reasoned. Gametes and zygotes are not people. Science is the enemy of the uneducated and uninformed.

Nice comeback McCloud. Can't deny what I said so you ignored the subject. Impressive.

You guys are a riot. I look at the world, infinite in size, infinite in unknowns, infinite in understanding, and marvel at how small man is in comparison. I have an appreciation for the finite limitations of man. You arrogant liberal types have a complete answer to everything like life, creation, and infinite concepts. When those answers fail to satisfy your egos, as they always do, throw in a Dubya WMD comment, the one size fits all comment.

Really? Where'd you get that gem from? Better watch out, Vick- some people may think you're jealous.

Because there are zero poor people choosing an abortion?

People like Vicki don't think through what they are wishing for. In her new world order the 14 year old girl who got an abortion would go to prison. In many States if she's low income her defense would be so shoddy that she would do a real long time in prison. Multiply that by 1000's. Add the Doctor's, nurses, landlords etc. Vicki would get her wish by destroying society. Limousine Libs? Vicki you read to many right wing blogs. Next, you'll be quoting Westboro Baptist Church!

"Up until at least three months, i don't feel it is a live, sentient being yet." You've got all the answers, how did you get so smart? tell me more.

Does a timer go off to signify when life begins like in a basketball game when the buzzer button is pushed? Is it at 12:00 AM or 12:00PM on the third month? What about leap years?

You're so good at interpreting comments however you want. That's exactly what I meant, but it's more like the white popup timer in turkeys.

As I said before, I feel (as in my opinion, doesn't have to be everyone's) that it could be considered a sentient human when it is capable of living without assistance from the mother. If it was truly an independent being there shouldn't be any miscarriages, right?

Working the slippery slope? So do you want an anarchistic style here? You tell your employer what you should make? The government takes nothing and we rely on good natured people to put out fires, build roads, wild west law enforcement, etc? Science doesn't exist to try and find when sentient life begins?

You want to paint with a broad brush and tell me because I believe X, I must believe in everything else associated with it. I don't agree with telling people what they should and shouldn't eat among other things as well. In a country with 300 million people, sometimes we do need a government to lay out what can or should happen. Sometimes they overstep their boundaries and the next person elected to office shifts things the other direction. No matter what law is passed or laid to waste, there will always be a large number of people who are upset by it.

You can mock me for everything I say, but you seem to need to hear some of this over and over again.

"Tell me how much income is enough for me. Tell me how many carbons I should use each day. Tell me what I should eat for my own good. Tell me what are my rights? Tell me when life begins. Tell me when life should end, for the sake of the rest of us. Tell me what is good enough for me, and perhaps not you. Tell me what doctors are good enough for me, and perhaps not you. Tell me then tax me."

We have all of the answers for you. We're from the gov't and we are here to help.

aahhh... we have to allow liberals to have double standards. If not for double standards, they would have none at all.

This is just me being curious, since I've haven't spent much time reading about prayer at public ceremonies, but has their ever been an instance of an official being sworn in where a prayer was banned or fought against?

Double standard? If the Catholic Church spent a third as much time and money ridding the church of pedaphile priests as the do trying to tell a woman what to do do with her own body, then I might consider the possibility of other double standards.

I thought you were the ones with all of the answers. No?

Are you that stupid? I don't want to lock them up, you do. How long?

Tell me, does the fact that the pregnancy was the result of rape change in any way the fact that there is life? Or can those babies be on the slaughter list.

So, how long to you plan to lock the rape victim up for? Maybe the rapist gets away, and the victim does time? Great world you want Macko!

RB, are you serious about the New Mexico guy? that's whack.

Unbelievable!!!
Here is the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html

The Republican death wish at work.

looked at the link. this is a state rep, not a Congress person. It's a misguided attempt by a person with religious convictions. It will not get passed by that state house.

Now, if we are going to bring up state reps, council members, etc.. into our political discussions, we will find whackjobs on both sides of the aisle all day long.

Privately funded through Christian charities, of course.

Oliver, you aren't the deep thinker that your brother Phil is, are you?

Indeed, Oliver! Unfortunately, our Constitution allows stupid people to broadcast their insane and inane comments, as they do on the Patch.

What's really insane is how things that used to be totally unacceptable have gone mainstream.

No Vicky, what's insane is that those of you on the fringe think you speak for the majority.

Sadly, many people believe that their answer is the 'right' answer, without regard for other people's religious convictions, morality or lack thereof.

I just read an article yesterday about how some people are now considering atheism to be a religion. Will atheists be protected by their 'religious' convictions?

Will they be persecuted by the media and entertainment industry the same way Christians are today?

I would like to see your plan put into action, Laura; let's start with a pilot program at Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. first. Since the First Daughters attend there, this school should lead the way for the rest of the bourgeoisie.

As long as the aborted babies remain quiet, we can get on with our lives and not impose our feelings of disturbance on others.

So you think if we stop funding Planned Parenthood, abortions will go away? No--instead, you'll be paying for medical care for the girls and women who are gravely injured by backstreet abortions. Either that, or you'll be paying for foster care for the kids who are born to parents who can't take care of them, or court costs for the parents who abuse their children. Any way you cut it, your money is going to go to something you don't want.

Glad to have you walking the planet, making these difficult decisions. On another note, I'm guessing that since aborted babies can't vote, there really is no reason to be bothered by the bloodshed.

Gravely injured, Laura.....like the woman that died at Planned Parenthood in Chicago a couple of months ago from complications of her 'safe' abortion?

A good start would be to de-fund all of these Planned Parenthood places. Remove the taxpayer funded Obamacare plans that force everyone to pay for them. Call out the liars who claim to put executive orders in specifically to fool the naive folks who voted for Obamacare. Lastly, the culture needs to be changed back to when unwed pregnancy is wrong as opposed to a lifestyle.

Here's a plan: instead of putting our twelve year old daughters on a regimen of dangerous, cancer-causing hormones, teach them not to screw everything that moves, and the same for your sons. Instead of just opening the door and setting them free until after dark, know where your kids are. The Liberal baby boomer generation are a bunch of idiots.

"abortions are NOT a form of birth control"

says the lady who can't even use her given name.

Ask some of the women who have rec'd multiple abortions at their friendly Planned Parenthood clinic that question. I'm guessing (as you are guessing) that some of them regard abortion as their chosen method of birth control.

Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms, they only provide referrals to facilities that can provide them like a regular oby/gyn does. PP says they have access to funds to help people pay for the mammogram. They don't actually pay or provide the service. I don't mean to be nit picky but all this info is available on the Planned Parenthood website along with their latest annual report detailing actual percentages of the types of services they provide. In fact 41%, the "lions share" of services they perform is for treating STD's. Also according to their report they performed 333,964 abortions in 2011. This is not a number Rush Limbaugh or Brieitbart pulled out of a hat. This is PP actual calculation.

Yeah, what's 50,000,000+ dead souls, anyway? Collateral damage.

Yes...Planned Parenthood (what a misnomer!.. typical of a liberal organization to twist the words to suit it's need) is all about 'women's health'.

Why should our tax dollars pay for abortions, at all?

It's because for liberals, they believe that charity starts with the gov't. For conservatives, they believe that charity starts at home.

That's why study after study shows that conservatives are much more charitable with donating money to causes... liberals would rather the gov't take care of everybody's desires.

keep beating that dead horse.......broken record.

Have you ever received any education, public or private, RB? Your reading skills are lacking. Ironically, it is our fabulous bleeding-heart Liberal laws that keep letting rapists out of prison, even after multiple offenses. Pro-deathers can keep crying 'rape and incest', but the overwhelming majority of abortions are not due to either and you know it.

Deadhorse? Really? Many of these people want to criminalize abortion and all are unwilling to say how much time the woman or young girl should do in prison? It's easy for them to say make it illegal, but what's the penalty? Vicky previously said the 14 year old mentioned in the moving post earlier should be penalized as though she tossed a baby in the dumpster. Yet, she is unwilling to think through the ramifications of such a position. She's wanting to lock up hundreds of thousands of women and girls, not to mention Doctors and nurses.

Vicky, you won't answer will you? You call them murderers. How long should they go to prison for? Thousands of young girls and women, you want them tried as murderers. How long Vicky?

so, just so I have your take correctly, since the sanctions for people who perform abortions when they are outlawed are not certain, we should continue to encourage and fund with taxpayer money 1.2 million cases of human slaughter every year?

My heart is doing just fine, thank you. No bleeding, conniptions, or otherwise worrisome conundrums in the old ticker!

And if you want to call me a liberal, then I suppose you'll have to lump me in with ol' Teddy R., who not only hoped to conserve our wonderful planet (like Teddy I see nothing wrong with hunting or intelligently reaping the Earth's many bounties, but I do not think it right to treat it like an undefiled schoolmarm who has accidentally wondered into the seedier side of town), but also did his best to curb the greedy Haves for the betterment of the hungry Have-Nots.

If that's liberal, then where do I place my John Hancock?

Rather, I think that it's common sense and commonly decent -- to respect god's green Earth and to check those who have too much and care only for themselves.

....except that your son IS alive, unlike your first child. As far as all of these 'unwanted' babies, there are adoption waiting lists miles long for newborns; the problem is the red tape. Why do you think people are going outside of the U.S. to adopt?

I've got some Charmin for your mouth, you may have gotten some on your lips.

McClown...Who do you steal your lame material from? Buddy Hackett has been dead for years. Oh well...no matter...keep the shlock coming...

Vicky, don't mind Just Sayin...she's only giving you grief because she is a liberal and cannot tolerate the fact that you are more compassionate than she is.

LMAO...

Sicky...A human is clinically dead when 3 functions fail. Heartbeat, consciousness and respiration. A fetus has a elementary pump at 18 days. They have not formed enough brain cells to be considered conscious...and they only breathe through the placenta and umbilical cord. That is why they take their first breathe at birth. A human has to lose all three functions before they are declared dead. So....not only are you sick...you are dumb as dirt too. BTW... You give away the fact that you are a full blood hick to use the term okey-dokey.

God just got off the phone, he'd like his job back.

McClown...How did you do that? How did you get Don Rickles old material from the 60's, when he headlined at the Stardust! Or...was it the Sands? Either one...I am impressed with your ability to rip old comedians off !!! Keep 'me comin' Bozo....

LMAO..." Dumb broads". Takes one to know one.

I appreciate your desire to pin Sicky to the wall over this but, she has not made one thoughtful or educated comment this entire thread. She is a knee jerk conservative.
She is incapable of a intelligent response. Leave her to wallow. Some causes are just lost.

"Sicky"?

missy, i'll just remind you that 'sicky' is the one who wants to protect the unborn children in the world. She is the one who is against Planned Parenthood and hearing about the thousands of fetuses that are ripped from the womb on a daily basis.

You can disagree with her, but to refer to her as 'sicky'? That's just stupid.

Dan, To refer to me as a missy is way beyond stupid. Not surprising, your comments reveal to the world your full lobotomy bud.

As usual, the liberals cannot handle the fact that when it comes to our most vulnerable among us, that they are on the wrong side of compassion.

And i find it pretty humorous that a few of you are beating up on Vicky because of her religious convictions and then jump the shark and call her a neocon...uh, that's pretty silly stuff.

These days the Republicans have been right in board with bigger government, higher taxes and more debt. No reason to hate them anymore, it's your baby now my friend.

If you are going to criticize someone for their typing you might want to use proper sentence structure and have actual grammar as well.

Ebonics 101? Someone has a typo and you flame them with an insensitive comment. Way to go Vicky, your true colors are becoming more visible with each comment. Vicky, you never get around to telling us how long you want to lockup 14 year old rape victims for, but you find time to throw your hate around like its pixie dust. I never understood how the public could brand women with a Scarlett letter centuries ago, or burn 'witches' at the stake. Now, after experiencing someone of your mentality I can see how it happened. That makes me determined to protect a woman's right to choose.

I feel sorry for people who hold your position, with the dismissive "women's right to choose". You guys could fill volumes of points in an attempt to support your awkward stance, I've heard most all of them. There is only one point necessary for folks like me, it's human slaughter. Terms like choice might make it go away and make you feel comfortable, but to a true intellect it would bother them down deep, that they condone human slaughter.

I clearly understand the way you feel and that you want abortion to be considered murder and slaughter. What I never see is how you anti abortion people want to punish these murderers. With the exception of Westboro Baptist Church which advocates the death penalty I never see the price to be paid by these murderers in your new world order. Think through the logic of imprisoning a 14 year old rape victim. Once you begin imprisoning thousands of young girls and women where will the funds come from to build more jails. Let me guess. You'll take it from social services like early childhood education and prenatal care.

McClown..." There is only one point necessary for folks like me...". And that is the problem with folks like you. You are single sighted and single minded. Everything is black or white...with only one possible solution. And the solution you see is the only correct solution. Sorry clown...but that is not how the mind of a " true intellect " works.

Wouldn't the baby shower be called that because it is to receive items intended for after birth, when the baby is brought home from the hospital? I don't think too many people receive prenatal vitamins, maternity clothes, or shea butter.

Unfortunately you would need a rectum-ectomy to free yourself from your world views only then could you rectify all of your comments..

McClown...I have noticed that you have a compulsive tendency to write comments that highlight the lower anatomy. Have you progressed enough with your shrink to address this obvious preoccupation? Oh well...I guess you would not be a contributer at all if you kept your mind above your belt.

Vicky, so much hatred for your fellow human beings. Somebody must have really done you wrong at some point in your life. Who else do you hate besides 'liberals'? Those who are better educated than you? Those with a higher income than you? Those with a different religion or color? Who did I leave out? Teachers? Maybe the question should be, who DON'T you hate?

And you my dearest Sicky remind me of the GREAT and POWERFUL Oz himself. All blow and bluster, but when the curtain is drawn open you are a small and sniveling woman living a little mediocre existence trying to hawk Shaklee products for survival. Pathetic. Okey Dokey...done with you...

Not sure, but it sounds like you lack the courage or reasoning ability to think for yourself. Based on your question, you are a follower, which I think most liberals are. For your information, I am against the death penalty, and for you wordsmiths who attempt to make themselves feel more comfortable with their positions, I am pro-life in all cases, since I believe taking of a life is wrong. Never said I would imprison young girls, yet another presumption that leads a liberal to conclude something that makes them comfortable with their opinion.

No, I ask because you seem to think there are so many who think just like you. The truth is, they don't. You belong to a misinformed fringe group. You are the one lacking courage. Rush, Hannity, Coulter- they all speak the absolute truth, right. No reason to question them or to think for yourself that they might not be totally sane. I don't recall if you associated yourself with the tea party, but if you did and do, your numbers are seriously dwindling.

So misguided friend, my opinion about abortion is entirely spiritual, Coulter, Rush, Hannity were unknown to me at the time of understanding things. In fact, I have no subscription to Fox and Hannity, I may read some Coulter now and then, and perhaps catch Rush on occasion. My opinions were formed from way back before these folks were prime time, back to college days and more with Friedman and Bill Buckley. Google them and learn. And yes, I feel bad for your reliance on the consensus, as it is deteriorating with each keystroke you push.

Not the consensus McCloud, the truth. You hide behind pseudo-intellectualism or spiritualism because you really have no idea what's going on. You fake moral superiority when in reality, you thrive on your own anger. You've been posting far too long to fool anyone.

I have no reason to hide behind anything. No tricks here, just my belief that life begins at conception. You and Obama, on the other hand, feel it ok to even walk away from a gasping newborn. I feel sorry for you and Barry.

Walk away from a gasping newborn? Sorry but I have to ask this again-WTF are you talking about? Forget the holier than thou act, Mac. It doesn't suit you.

No worries, Quinn lets them all out, free to repeat their behaviors. Now, about those gun registrations, databases, training, ,,,,

Oh...I am not worried. It's those who are NOT released...the thousands and thousands that are your life long tax wards whom you graciously support without complaint, many of which will out live you. Yet...helpful human services, such as PP for those who do not participate in heinous criminal acts, you bemoan supporting. Rethink your reality man.

McClown...You live in a twisted dream of your own ignorant making. Yes...your personal future is indeed bleak.

I thought it was all Coulter and Hannity's fault, which is it?

I can't answer for McCloud, Vicky. I can answer, however, that generalizing is lazy. I'm not generalizing when I say you, Vicky, are one hostile extreme human being with not a care for those who are already alive. How do you feel about "illegals" having abortions? They're not really human anyway, so I guess that would be okay.

I don't need to generalize about you, Vicky. It's all there in black and white.

Should this be true, maybe the libs can work their magic like they did in Illinois. Bankrupt, high unemployment, corrupt, and an exodus of businesses leaving. Liberal mecca!

While I am not sure why Sicky chooses to live in a "toilet", it does seem she made the appropriate choice for herself. However, in general, it matters not where the conservative wonks physically live. Mentally they are all living in an eternal 'Leave it to Beaver' episode. Life was so simple then. Unfortunately, what works beautifully for them in that simple place clashes with current realities. It's the hell of their choosing and frankly I enjoy watching them squirm about in frustration seeking rationalizations for their lack of evolution. Think of them as rabid Sea-Monkeys. BTW...I seem to recall that " The Beav " had a tank of Sea-Monkeys in episode 17.
Ironic isn't it.

"except for the little Global Warming issue of Alabama having more snow than Chicago this year,.."

LMAO! 'global warming issue'? You didn't get the memo? it's not global warming anymore. There has been no recordable warming trends since 1996...that's why the 'scientists' had to expand this scam to ALL weather.

It's now 'man made climate change' and is responsible for everything that George Bush isn't.

Dan...climate change is not all about current one-time anomalies. You've really been watching too many fictional news stories on Fox and listening way too much to comedian Rush Limbaugh. Read real literature on global warming instead, okay, buddy?

Yes McClown...it's still Bush's fault.

Bush started two wars and didn't pay for them. He started the prescription drug plan and didn't pay for it. We're still trying to clean up after his 8 years in office. Yes, much of our economic problem can be traced directly to the Neo-Conservative Bush Administration.

Since when is pro-abortion strictly a woman's issue? No one has the right to tell a woman (or man) what to do or not to do with her own body. So...let's say I am pro women ! In addition...your global warming comment confirm you to be a complete and total dull-wit.

Yes, Dan. Most likely you are.

Yep. Everything bad that has ever happened is in isolation or is of Obama's doing. Anything current couldn't possibly be a result of events over the years, and clearly the republicans in congress and on the so-called politically neutral supreme court, as well as republicans at the state level, could ever be partly responsible for today's conditions. You silly libs- what could you be thinking? And according to Vicky, even the weather is the fault of those evil libs. Hey Vic- you could move to say, Butler, Missouri. There's a cultural and educational gem if there ever was one. A bit south of Kansas City if you're looking at a map.

Vicky, have you ever heard of congress? You may want to look it up.

An oldie but a goody, Vic. But can't you come up with something new? That's so four years ago!

Ooh, another good one from Vicky! "GloBull" warming... get it? Yeah, snow in February in Chicago is such a rare event. Just like those record days of heat and the intensifying storms in the summer year after year after year, are rare. Gosh Vic, you're just a plethora of information.

Sully...She is on the fringe in more than one way. She sells Shaklee products. Enough said.

You just eat up those liberal poll numbers, since your mind can only go with the consensus.

Mac, your "logic" about going along with the consensus is absurd. You must be so proud of yourself for thinking that one up that you'll keep using it despite how ridiculous it is. As I said before, I go with what is true, whether it's the consensus or not. Truth is the bottom line, but is something you're content to deny.

Sorry, I missed the movie, how does it end? Does Al finally get that massage at the end of the credits? Does it get warmer or cooler, I get confused. Are we causing it? What is this truth you speak of? Something you read online? When they nonpolitical pollsters were working why is it nobody asked me about it? I wonder why?

I wonder how he won reelection then. What do you think, Vicky? He stole it? All the poor people and illegal immigrants voted for him? Not enough middle class and wealthy to overcome the huge number of takers in this country that voted for him? What exactly did happen to that blowout Fox promised?

And stupid ones are going to destroy it.

I guess that means you are smarter and have more knowledge than a majority of scientists around the world. What are you doing wasting your time on Patch? Shouldn't you be out there pushing the truth that is so obvious to you?

One cliche after another, Vic. What are you, the spokesman for every rightwing pundit that this proud country has to offer? You're just a load of misinformation.

Yawn. Been there, done that. Come on Vicky. Don't you have anything a little newer than these old talking points?

Let's have a look, shall we?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/p-500-posts-biggest-monthly-001324596.html

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/economy-adds-157000-jobs-in-january.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-manufacturing-shows-fastest-growth-in-9-months-20130201,0,2671400.story

LMAO McCloud........but in June it will be right back to 'GloBULL Warming'; fancy that!

Sully, have you ever seen what Chernobyl looks like now? You might want to go on YouTube and take a look. Mother Nature has a way of taking care of itself.

Well, it does kind of sound like the recent past. New records for heat are reached just about every year now and it's the same for storms.

......or "Same old talking points" as the Libs like to twist it.

How so, Procrustes? Because people SHOULD be supporting themselves and their own offspring? Personal responsibility is an outstanding creed; when it was the norm in this country is was a much better place to live than it is now.

LOL...I'll have to remember that one.

Sully...Sicky is a liar. She is a Shaklee rep. and with her " curious" comment she is attempting to drive you to google so you will check it out. Maybe buy a useless thing or two...to keep her second rate company alive.

Ho-Hum...more conservative tripe.

Blacks?

McClown...some could be black...and some are white...like Sicky.

It must be a burden to be so intelligent and know what is best for the masses. How do you manage? Can't wait for your next control idea for our own good.

WoW McClown...You have finally described yourself to a tee! Must have read some of your own stuff. BTW... how is the weather in Mayberry today? Moronic as usual?

Goober needs some more regulations, since he is a moron according to you guys, Floyd needs to be taxed more to pay for Andy's overblown pension, since you guys needed votes, you took Gomer's guns away, Otis needs us to pay for his new liver, since it is his right, and Aunt Bee has been taxed up the wazoo to pay for it all, so she eats dogfood these days. You guys know everything, so we all wait for what you think is best,

Yeah....right.... and...there you go again Ms. Hypocrite.

You mean the couple that got a bonus for signing you on? LoL

Yes Sicky...First real 3 inches of snow this winter...it's February ya know. Nah....nothing strange is happening weather wise. You are clearly an unobservant nin-cum-poop. FYI...I don't need to shovel anything...whereas you shovel the crap constantly. Bye-Bye...off to southern Cali. for two weeks. Patch...Please shut this thread down before I return. It's gotten so mindless with the likes of Sicky contributing.