Readers Disagree with Cardinal George's Stance on Same-Sex Marriage
Many readers say marriage is not strictly a religious institution and there should be a separation of church and state.
In his letter, George urged Catholics to voice their objections, arguing that because same-sex marriages cannot be consummated and are not undertaken for the purpose of conceiving children that government, "has no power to create something that nature itself tells us is impossible."
Many readers agreed with the Cardinal commenting that same sex relations are against nature.
“Same sex marriage is awfully odd and against common sense and natural order of life,” Patch reader John Godson wrote. “This same sex stunt is unsustainable because of its crudely raw and animalistic instincts.”
Harry Gio wrote: “The Cardinal George is 100% right... Same sex marriage is without a doubt AGAINST the common good... I don't care what the gays do between one another, but their "Ways of Life" should most certainly NOT be honored or praised.”
Patch reader Tony S disagreed writing, “The ‘against nature’ argument is simply invalid. Homosexuality has been documented in over 2,500 animal species. It would appear that homosexuality is rather common. Also, the fact that our planet is becoming overpopulated is completely unsustainable. Homosexuality is one of the most sustainable population control measures ever.”
Definition of Marriage
Some readers say the church is not against homosexuality but that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.
“I am not against legal union where gay people in a committed relationship have the same legal rights. I do however agree with the Church. That marriage is NOT to be redefined,” Patch reader Matt wrote. “The Church loves gay people as much as hetero people.”
Other readers, however, disagreed.
“If the state of marriage was strictly a religious signification Cardinal George would have a very valid argument. But it's NOT just a spiritual issue,” Patch reader Jennifer Wilson wrote. “Upon marriage, I get a better tax deal. I have immediate rights to inheritance. My spouse is automatically my next of kin. My husband can make revisions for me if I am not able to without question ... We use marriage as a legal status in this country and religion should not affect that legal status.”
Church and State
Wilson also wrote a blog post sharing why her family would not be attending Mass over the weekend. Wilson says religion has no place in politics.
“You, Cardinal George, do not get to tell me how to vote. You, Cardinal George, do not get to dictate which citizens in the state of Illinois enjoy the civil benefits and responsibilities of marriage. You get to refuse people the sacrament of marriage, but not the civil right to it. Kindly respect the separation of Church and State,” Wilson wrote.
llwvrt echoed Wilson’s sentiment for the separation of church and state, writing, “The cardinal can say whatever he wants but the common good promotes stability and happiness. I have no problem with gay marriage.”
“As the leader of Chicago Catholics, Cardinal George has a duty to tell his followers what being a good Catholic means. But that is not what he's doing,” Patch reader IMHO wrote. What he's doing is instructing Catholics to pressure legislators, and pressuring them himself, joined by like-minded clerics, to craft laws that force non-Catholics to follow Catholic doctrine. That makes it everybody’s business. It is the right (duty?) of non-Catholics to resist religious notions being imposed on Illinoisans through law.”
Patch reader Procrustes' Foil says if religious institutions want to get involved in politics, they should pay the price.
“In order to keep their tax-exempt status, religions are supposed to refrain from involvement in politics and legislation,” Procrustes’ Foil wrote. “Sounds like there are several religions that should start paying taxes!”
Essence of Marriage
Other readers were also outraged that George equated the essence of marriage to procreating.
“His stance is basically that there should also be a fertility test before a straight couple can get married,” RB wrote. “If they are unable to bear children, they can't get married. Adoption? His position does not consider that either.”
“Oh heavenly father, Cardinal George, numerous opposite sex couples cannot conceive also, should their marriages be extinguished?” Patch reader Lou wrote.
If Illinois passes a same-sex marriage bill, it could become the 10th state in the country to allow such marriages. The legislation passed the Senate Executive Committee Thursday, sending it to the full Senate, but it’s unclear when a vote would take place there, the New York Times reported.
Greg Howse
1:53 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
This entire legislative ordeal is not even about marriage. In states where this type of bill has been passed, the vast majority of homosexuals are not getting married. This bill, if passed, gives the radical homosexual agenda full access into our school system. The aim is to indoctrinate our children with the homosexual mind set. Parents would have no say in what is presented to their children in the schools. Whoever gets the young generation also gets the future.
Bob
9:05 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Homosexuality is not a mindset, you idiot, but you're right, it's not about marriage. It's about legal rights and there's no reason gay couples, men or women shouldn't be afforded the same rights as everyone else.
Indoctrinating our youth is the parent's responsibility. Don't worry. No one wants access to the schools except for right wing nut jobs. I'm sure your kids will turn out to be narrow-minded boneheads.
IMHO
2:25 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Someone's been watching too much Fox News.
Greg Howse
1:55 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
The nature of God-designed FAMILY is for a man and a woman to produce their own children. This is how the generations proceed in God's design. Just think, if your mom or dad had been homosexual, you wouldn't be here right now.
Gigi
6:42 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
If my mom and dad were married and unable to have children, I wouldn't be here right now. How do you know how God designed a family?
Bob
9:06 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
And if your mom and dad weren't idiots, you'd be able to think for yourself.
Smoking Patch
2:51 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Shouldn't this articles headline be SOME READERS.disagree with Cardinal George's Stance on Same-Sex Marriage.
Bob
9:08 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Whether or not you agree with what the good cardinal says, he should keep his mouth shut or give up the Church's tax exempt status, which clearly prohibits the Church from interjecting it's lunacy into the public forum.
Lisa Spano
2:57 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Greg, please explain to me what the homosexual mindset is? I believe that the bible teaches us that Jesus said, love one another as I have loved you. Our kids need to be taught acceptance, tolerance and respect for all, especially those who are different from ourselves.
Gigi
6:42 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Amen to that!
Old H.P.
3:12 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Here is the reality, The Roman Catholic Church has the right to marry whoever they see fit. The state has chosen to be in the marriage game, they should not be allowed the same luxury as a religious institution. The state and federal government are bound by the constitution not ideology and theological dogma. So just my opinion but ether allow gays to marry or the state should get out of the marriage business.
b garrett
7:05 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Soon enough. Homosexual marriage will be "normalized" in an ongoing degradation of historical mores and values. How long before someone feels they have the " right" to marry their cat?
Gigi
7:11 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Are you serious?!? I hope homosexual marriage becomes "normalized". It's people like you that perpetuate hatred. I'd rather marry my cat than someone hateful like you!
Old H.P.
7:16 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Silly argument, animals cannot commit to a consensual agreement. The key word is consenting adults.
IMHO
2:31 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
There's always someone who pulls out the old beastiality card when they can't come up with a better argument.
b garrett
9:09 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Interesting that AIDS. Is a major diseAse of the homosexual community....how much in medical tx $ has that cost society....?
RB
9:34 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
STD's are spread by many sex partners not just Gay. HIV is spread within all orientations. More straight people are transmitting HIV than Gay and more African American Women are contracting AIDS than any group. Africa and India have huge rates of HIV and AIDS writhin straight communities. Much higher than Gay.
As far as 'normalizing' Gay marriage, I doubt that will take place since 'normal' straight marriage has a 50% divorce rate. I think the Gays will behave within marriage, be monogamous and certainly have lower divorce rates than 'normal' marriage. It will just be marriage, sincere marriage.
MusclePRICK
11:12 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Are these educated residences of Northbrook? The church that doesn't welcome you, do you attend? The gay community pay taxes, taxes for your children's and their children's schools and so on.... The result is four areas that if you are LEGALLY married you have the following where as long term gay/non-gay relationships do not have the same rites:
1. Estate Tax: married your legal spouse will inherit all tax free / Gay must pay inheritance tax
2. Social Security: married your legal spouse can take the higher benefit upon death including 50% if you never worked / Gay no survival benefit awarded
3. Pensions: married your legal spouse gets full or partial (you determine) benefits / Gay partner will receive no benefits.
4. Health insurance: married spouse and children coverage / Gay Partners must carry they own.
So think of your children who may not know they are gay yet, your family members/relatives etc of their future. So 10, 20, 30 year loving partnerships means nothing Cardinal George due to a simple same-sex disclaimer.....
Moe @ the Buck
2:50 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Uncle fester, defiantly.
Black and White
7:08 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Marriage is between a man and a woman and is sanctioned by the church. Why do you think they call it Holy Matrimony? The state should allow legal unions between ANY two people, which confers many of the benefits that are now only available to married couples.
LaVerne
7:59 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Why do you have marriage VOWS. Since the Church Sanctions them. WHY DO THEY REMARRY PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIVORCED?
IMHO
2:34 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
No one is asking that your church allow same-sex couples to marry.
Harry Gio
8:53 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
The Cardinal George is 100% right... God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!!!!!!
LaVerne
9:30 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
I was taught that we are all Gods Children
IMHO
2:38 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Then where did Adam and Steve come from?
Mrs. H
9:12 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Don't u folks get it? It's all about MONEY! The Govt sees an opportunity to collect more $$ if they just legalize same sex marriage. (We are as a country completely broke.)
The Cardinal is simply asking his congregation to not disrespect the gift of matrimony that was given as a blessing for us. Why is that so hard to interpret?
Look, there is nothing wrong w/ 2 folks of the same sex committing their love to each other in a political arena b/c that's just what it is: a political arena. BUT to change religious views from any religion to accomodate the govt is disrespectful and against ones beliefs.
It seems to me that everyone in this discussion are talking out of both sides of their mouths--why would gays want to get married in a church anyway since they're so opinionated against them? My guess is too many of them are fighting to wear that dress! Ha! Lol!
It's all about money. The greed of all of us.
LaVerne
9:34 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Since many GAYS attend Church Services I guess the aren't against the church are they.
Matt
10:02 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
What is the real issue on this thread? Seems it is all over the place. Is it that homosexual sex is wrong? Or Homosexuals should not have a legal union? Or that we should redefine what marriage is? Or is it just bashing the Church, and Cardinal George? I am confused. I would like to join in on a logical discussion. But I cannot find the real issue in the thread.
LaVerne
10:24 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Good questions Matt. Perhaps an additional question would be why does Patch keep running the article. Seems this is third or fourth time now.
IMHO
11:14 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
I completely agree with the editorial published in the Jan 3 2013 Chicago Tribune:
Much of the opposition (to same-sex marrigage) stems from religious concerns, such as those cited by Cardinal Francis George, who has urged a "no" vote. We fully understand and respect the cardinal's view that same-sex marriage violates natural law. But nothing in this bill affects the church's authority to define what is right for Catholics. It recognizes the difference between religious rites and civil institutions.
The Catholic church, after all, bars remarriage by divorcees, but Illinois grants marriage licenses to them. Allowing same-sex marriage does not limit the freedom of religious believers to reject it; it merely allows those who differ to practice what they believe.
The bill stipulates that "any religious denomination" will remain "free to choose which marriages it will solemnize." About 250 Illinois clergy recently signed a statement affirming, "There can be no justification for the law treating people differently on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity."
Cole Pierce
12:51 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
I stopped listening to the Catholic Church when I was 8 when I realized they don't care about people, it's all about power and status. The thousands of children molested by Priests that the church still tries to deny as they still hide Priests shows that they are a disgusting and vile organization. It's power over people. They disgust me! Holy Name would make for a nice dog park and frozen ice stand.
Tea
5:04 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Sorry, but, same sex anything disgusts me.
IMHO
6:23 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Then don't get involved in a same-sex relationship Tea. Problem solved.
Millie
6:26 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
So Tea you have no friends that are of the same SEX as you
Tea
8:27 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Come on, Millie. Don't be so literal! I'm entitled to my feelings and opinions. Have you ever had a lesbian hit on you? I have! It's not a good feeling when you're straight.
IMHO: You are absolutely correct!