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Lake Forest High School Strike Ends After 6 Days

LFEA and the Board reach an agreement after a marathon 12-hour negotiation.

 

The LFEA and the Board have reached a tentative agreement on a new four-year contract after 12 hours of negotiations Tuesday night and into Wednesday morning, according to an announcement form the Board.

Specifics of the agreement must be ratified by the LFEA and then approved by the Board. The details of the agreement will be made public once these steps have occurred.

Read Patch's ongoing coverage of the strike here

"We would like to announce that we were able to reach a tentative agreement with the Union," Board President Sharon Golan said in a statement early Wednesday morning. "We are pleased that our teachers and students will be back in the classroom in the morning."

At the time of publication, the LFEA could not be reached for comment.

All classes at Lake Forest High School will resume Wednesday morning.

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Scout

9:25 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Thank you for setting up this website, Donald. Well done.
I could not believe the Facebook posts from the teachers to the students, and vice versa...unreal. I'm really awestruck by this. If you kiss up and stroke an ego, you, too, can get an A! Great lesson teachers...

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Stevie Janowski

11:17 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

This is a great site, I wish this was made sooner.

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Jeff

11:56 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Or scout they actually believe it and aren't horribly cynical like you

My2Cents

9:02 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Dear Teachers -
There are no guarantees in life, you're lucky that you are the exception at least for now. Please know that although your contract has been tentatively agreed upon, you have now made yourself a target to be replaced in the near future. This strike has awoken the public taxpayers and in the age of social media, the shenanigans of the past are not going to fly in the future. You deserve fair pay and job security, but there are no guarantees in life.

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Robert T

5:00 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

After suffering thru the leadership of characterless double dipping Harry, it was no wonder the teachers wanted some of that pay for no performance action. One thing the teachers had done for the positive is to galvanize opposition to any future "it's for the kids" arguments on future referendums We are wise to the fat-cats masquerading as teachers.

RationalTht

9:10 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Time for the board to START with a teacher job fair in JUNE in four years. Let the district be prepared - if the teachers threaten to strike, just bring in the replacement workers from Day 1. Is there a law that schools cannot lock out the teachers when they threaten?

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Jeff

11:58 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Yes there are laws against that

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RationalTht

3:43 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@Jeff - there is nothing that states you cannot be prepared with replacement workers. That is not threatening, that is business planning.

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JR

4:05 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

What kind of decent, certified teacher would want to be on 'stand by' for another good teacher in case of a strike?

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Jeff

5:39 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

@JR
The better question is what kind of decent teacher right now is unemployed? Let alone to find twenty unemployed teacher for each department...there's a reason why they are unemployed. If you want bodies to fill a room this is a good idea.
If you want quality teachers for one of the best schools in the state....

John Utah

9:11 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

My bet is the Board met them in the middle on salary increases, and then gave them an extra 4th year guaranteed in return. If so, our teachers get guaranteed 4.5% raises for the next 4 years, during which if Obama is re-elected the rest of us in the private sector here and globally will suffer greatly from the financial collapse about to occur.

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John Utah

1:18 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Oh look, @Jeff is back. How you doing on your rebuttal to Hitler's support of unions?

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Mark Stein

2:18 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

In 1935, Hitler outlawed all independent unions. Stikes were prohibited. The Nazi's created the German Labor Front which regulated wages. Wages dropped. Like all Nazi instiutions, this was actually a govenment agency.

Some of those on the right are now attempting to argue that the Nazis were a left wing movement. I think that Abraham Hoffer was correct when he wrote in the "True Believer" that left wing and right wing totalitarian movements are virtuallly indistinguishable in their methods. Both seek to eliminate any organization on the left or right that might organize citizens to oppose them. This includes eliminating unions.

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John Utah

3:10 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@Mark - yes I know what Hitler did. My context with @Jeff is that he accused me of believing in Mein Kampf last week, to which I pulled a passage from it where Hitler wrote in support of unions. That was in 1925 before he landed power. Once he did, yes he outlawed them.....but then just remade them as govt agencies.

Secondly, I don't fall pray to the liberal notion that Hitler was a right-wing totalitarian, because I don't view the political spectrum that way. The spectrum is tyranny vs. anarchy. The US Constitution is in the middle......with Hitler, Stalin, Mao all on the tyrannical side.

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libdad

4:07 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

yep...brought on by republican mismanagement from 2000-2008.

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Jeff

5:40 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Huh, you want me to defend Hitler?

Scout

9:14 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

When is the next Dist. 115 BOE meeting?

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Lennie Jarratt

9:31 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:00 p.m Board Rm, Lake Forest HS West Campus
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:00 p.m Board Rm, Lake Forest HS West Campus
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:00 p.m Board Rm, Lake Forest HS West Campus
Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:00 p.m Board Rm, Lake Forest HS West Campus
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:00 p.m Board Rm, Lake Forest HS West Campus

http://www.lfhs.org/board/meetings.html

Lake Forest resident

9:18 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Chuck Gress in the Trib, "This is really a lesson in democracy and standing up for your rights," he said. "We stood up for quality education in our schools. . .These are rights (collective bargaining) we have in the state of Illinois, thank God."

Mr. Gress, the lesson you taught was that you favored your own personal self interests over the students. Through this whole affair I've been stringing together the real lesson for my kids. Don't quit on your responsibilities. People have choices, and when you take up a job knowing all the pros/cons, you stick with your decision and follow through. You don't quit, walk out, and whine.

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JR

4:12 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

No one knows ALL the cons of a job until you have worked that position for awhile.

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Love2read

8:49 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@Lake Forest resident - I agree. Although if you do decide to walk off your job, be prepared to keep on walking, don't look back.

Lennie Jarratt

9:32 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Petitions to run for BOE can be passed starting next week. Who will step up?

http://forourchildrensfuture.com

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Ralph Keen

11:31 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

How many people with a background or a career in education, who've had kids in LF schools, and care about their taxes and property values would volunteer to expose themselves to the animus that the community's been directing toward the board? Those who've advocated moderation have been excoriated on this site, which one assumes represents the general tenor of the residents. It's been a sad but revealing episode.

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RationalTht

12:17 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@Ralph - As a parent, I would be more afraid of the retribution by the teachers on my children. For that reason, I will not run for the BOE until AFTER they are all in college.

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Me

12:57 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@hey Ralphie Boy - Glad to see you back again. We have been missing your pretentiousness. Your assumptions are way off though. The School Board should not be educators. Why would we want to put the elitists in charge of the elitists? In addition, with a few exceptions, the School Board is not vilified. Make no mistake about it, the TEACHERS are the ones who walked out on the kids.

we need a new BOE

9:46 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Yes, we really need some new blood there. The buck stops with the BOE.

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RationalTht

3:45 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Maybe a STRONGER BOE that will not cave to every whim of the teacher's union - is that what you mean?

LF Resident/Parent

9:47 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Be sure to read this article and think about how we have treated those who put their
lives on hold during this crisis.

http://gazebonews.com/2012/09/19/applause-for-lake-forests-strike-education-plan/

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Rin Angelo

9:53 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Lake forest should hire all new teachers. There are
Too many people that would love to have a job period !
This strike shows how the teachers care only for there own
Self and don't care that it hurt the students

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John Utah

9:55 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

As much as it PAINS me to say this, the teachers held all the cards here thanks to years of accumulated union and educational establishment power. No clear path to legally firing, firm AP testing dates, needed college recs, athletic competition for scholarships, etc. Our Board lacked the foresight to adequately judge the Union's resolve and put in place an effective alternative plan for schooling. Yes, it was great to see the community volunteer and offer their expertise in a “Dimensions”-style program….but it was not regular schooling/classes. THAT is why we had no leverage, because the schooling would not be the same. The Union knew this, and that is why they did not budge.

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RationalTht

12:18 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Agreed - four years from now the town can no longer trust the union - they have shown their stripes. Start interviewing new teachers in JUNE and have them in place. The teachers have shown themselves to be thugs.

John Utah

9:57 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

If the Board caved to a degree (most likely to save the school year for the Junior’s and Senior’s college needs and requirements), WE MUST HAVE AN EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE PLAN IN PLACE in 4 years when this happens again. If it means a new Board makeup, so be it. Pre-interview available teachers, agree to outlined terms, make them familiar with LFHS, have a full curriculum plan in place. We need schooling leverage next time or again the Union will have all the cards, same old emotional sob story.

We lost the battle today for lack of Board foresight, so we better win the war next time around now that union greed has been on full display for all to see. Based on how many eyes have been opened in the community, I think we can.

Bottom line: In 4 years, the sure-to-be striking teachers and its union will have to go and LF move forward. THEY WILL NEVER STOP. Even with 0% growth and a potential financial collapse during the next 4 years….THEY WILL NEVER STOP. Quit believing otherwise.

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RationalTht

12:19 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Our BOE thought the teachers were more professional educators and not union thugs. The union has taught the LF BOE a lesson that should not be forgotten.

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Stevie Janowski

2:48 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

John Utah, its was an honor, I will be back in 4 years to back your comments again. Hope to see you stay on the patch.

Gary

10:09 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

While we wait to see how much damage has been done to the community culturally as well as fiscally, we can start working on the next phase of fixing the mess.

What most people don't know is that every year... every year... every friggin year... both our school boards vote to raise taxes by the maximum amount allowed by law. The tax increase is capped by an equation dominated by the CPI. The budget they request is not based on need. They try to anticipate what the CPI will be, then they play games with the budget to make sure they get the maximum tax increase. If they underestimate the CPI, then they will be upset because they will have left money in our pockets that they consider to be rightfully owned by the schools. I know. I sat there and watched in disbelief as it happened.

It is these continually compounding tax increases that are crushing our town, and creating the surplus that the unions used against us during the negotiating process. They claimed we had the money and that we could afford it because of ANTICIPATED SURPLUSES. We might say that it makes no sense to make those claims, but that kind of information is valid material in an arbitration or mediation process, and was clearly used against us in the court of public opinion.

My recommended course of action is simple. Pressure the BOEs to raise taxes only enough to cover immediate costs. No surplus should be allowed to exist, as it has proven to be a weapon to be used against us.

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Norman Dale

10:14 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I told you the O;d Picket Fence would work! Jimmy Chipwood saves the day!

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Nancy J. Thorner

10:30 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I'm pleased to see all the well thought out responses that have been made so far.

Before I respond in more detail, I do wish to know the details of the agreement that fostered the end of the LFHS teacher strike. I fear, however, that the Board has lost to the LFEA. Let's hope I am wrong.

The current situation came about because the Board in past years (with the exception of last year) gave teachers -- all members of the IEA -- what they asked for in salary increases and perks.

But will the past prove helpful in the future to help build a better and a stronger school that all will be proud of for years to come? Not as long as the local LFEA, working in tandem with the IEA, is permitted to call the shots because the Board doesn't have the guts to hold the line.

Perhaps holding the line in salaries and perks for teachers is not a possibility by the Board, given that administrators at LFHS have likewise been granted sweetheart deals that go way beyond what taxpayers can afford in this down economy.

The new superintendent, Michael Simeck, is receiving $250,000 plus many perks in his first year as superintendent of Districts 67 and 115. The same dual superintendency was also held by Simeck in the Berkley Schools in Michigan before starting his LF dual position on July 1st.

It will take a long while before LFHS teachers will gain the trust of those who are paying for their sweetheart deals through their taxes,

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Todd

10:37 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

So many misinformed people on this sight. Looks like many of you need to go back to school and learn to read and comprehend what you read.

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Scout

10:49 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

What, Todd? Since when are facts misinformation?

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Me

11:06 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@Todd - That would be site (as in location) as opposed to sight (as in seeing something). Other than that, could you expand on your misinformation?

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Ted

10:18 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Hey Todd,
As long as you are basically calling people uneducated and in need of further schooling, perhaps you can go back yourself and learn the difference between "sight" and "site"!

Fed up

12:00 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

So in the end the union wins. The kids lose, and so do the tax payers. The teachers still have a defined benefit plan and pay increases that exceed inflation along with a scale that compounds the increase with years of service. Who works for who... Does anyone other than government have a defined benefit plan anymore? The taxpayers don't. At a time when the average taxpayer is making less then they did in 2007 does anyone think this is right? So what about scaling back admin too? Best option I can think of is to immediately start the growth of charter schools in LF. Let the teachers and administrators compete for their jobs. Fed up!

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Me

5:11 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I too would like to thank the greedy teachers and the annoying bloggers for motivating me to seek a leadership role on the School Board. When I run for office I will of course be using my real name because at that time my children will no longer be in the clutches of vengeful teachers. How will you know me? I will be the very angry Board Member who is demanding a scorched earth policy in negotiation and I will have put in place the contingency plan necessary to field replacement teachers for as long as necessary.

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Think before you type

5:51 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Good luck with that, "Me". You're as delusional as the other "*all* of the teachers are evil" mouth-breathering pigeonholers around here.

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Scout

9:16 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Don't worry, Me, I'm sure there are MANY voters who will have your back. If you run with this issue as your platform, you are a shoe-in.
I also LOVE the website that Donald Russ developed. Had a chance to review the photos taken of the picket line and I see there were a few Guidance Counselors in the picket line, too. I had no idea they were part of the union...then I looked at their salaries and realized they must be...$131,000 for some of their salaries.

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Sam

12:37 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Delusioned One/Me. I'll be the first to write a check to your opponent(s)

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JR

4:46 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

It will be interesting to see if the numbers of teacher applicants to Lake Forest High, go up or down this coming year after reading all of these comments.

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Lennie Jarratt

5:00 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

They'll go up for sure if there are any jobs available. The question really should be how many RIFs will there be in the spring?

LB Mom

6:09 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

My student came home saying that Mr. Gress told his class the two days in school won't count. Has anyone heard anything?

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Lake Forest resident

8:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Can one really trust Mr.Gress after this whole episode? I hope is math teaching skills are as good as his ability to quit on the students this past week.

Me

6:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Yes @think, you too are entitled to voice your opinion. That is the great thing about our democracy. Just ask Chick Gress. It is fine to take the kids hostage in order to satisfy his greed. We will be prepared the next time they launch the same attack on our kids. See you at the polls.

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Think before you type

7:18 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

This has nothing to do with Mr. Gress. What I am trying to get across is that pigeonholing *all* LFHS teachers into a neat little bundle is an irresponsible knee-jerk reactionary tactic.

Me

7:50 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

@that-'twas your knee that jerked. I never said that ALL teachers were evil. That was what you chose to imply. I also reject your plea of innocence on behalf of Gress. Not allowing a secret ballot caused the non-evil teachers to be bullied into a self destructive decision.

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Jeff

5:24 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

@me
Pretty sure a non secret ballot is part of union by laws
Gress is a spokesman and not a negotiator or officer in the union

LF Mom

8:17 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012

It's time to move forward. It's time to heal. Thank you BOE for giving your very best and countless hours to come to a resolution. Thank you teachers-you are professionals I value and respect. Instead of continuing the discussion of all that's wrong it's time to seek real facts and if you're unhappy about something find constructive ways to improve them.

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One Opinion

11:10 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Time will never heal these wounds... hoping the community finds the courage to create a win/win environment for all concerned. This has been a prime display of all that is wrong in America. Our country really needs a "third" political party to help us move to a more common middle ground. Gridlock kills us all.

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Love2read

1:18 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@LF Mom - There's nothing professional about walking out on an employer that has provided a safe working environment and has compensated you well over the years.

I respect those professionals that crossed the picket line in order to continue teaching.

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Deadcatbounce

9:54 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Some people feel they have no choice to send their kids back to the school because they can't afford private tuition. I believe if you have a motivated enough kid that loves learning, there is enough online resources available for that student. It will be online learning that will eventually break the union.
Outsider is correct, where were all you people the last 15 years as salaries and benefits were escalating? I remember sitting in a school board meeting 11 years ago listening to how the board spiked teacher salaries 20% the last 3 years of their career. I was incredulous, but no one seemed to think this was a big deal. I knew at that moment this was not going to end well. Something that can't go on forever Won't!

Me

11:56 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Let's get the facts straight. This was purely about wringing the last pennies out of the taxpayer, nothing less. The teachers are among the highest paid in the state. There has never been any attempt to force them into poverty.

The School Board increases its budget by the maximum amount allowed by law every year. The teachers saw some excess dollars laying on the table (in the form of reserves) and they decided that they were entitled to them. The Board pushed back on behalf of the taxpayers. The teachers decided that those extra dollars were so important to them that they would walk out on the kids and parade around on the lawn. By no stretch of the imagination can this be classified as professional.

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Jeff

5:25 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

I know when you campaign you won't you that misleading rhetoric....
Your tax dollars did not change because of ths deal

LF Mom

2:17 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Love2read-How long would you work without a contract or some sort of understanding of what you needed to do and how you would be compensated? If your employer said these are tough times all I can give you is $X, wouldn't you still at least try for more? Do you know every personal situation and feelings about the negotiations from every teacher at LFHS? Union rules say they can strike, if you don't like the rules then work on the bigger problem but please don't lump every teacher into one box and call them names. Is every Attorney a blood sucking parasite? No, and I doubt that's how they would want to be labeled. It's time to move forward and for the sake of our children try to forgive each other. I respect that we do not share the same views and now it's time to set an example for our children. Now it's time to agree to disagree.

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Love2read

6:11 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@LF Mom - You asked "How long would you work without a contract or some sort of understanding of what you needed to do and how you would be compensated?"

I would work forever without a contract. I've worked decades without a contract. I will never have a contract.

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics :http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Only 11.8% of workers belong to a union. The vast majority of the 89.2% of workers don't have a contract and still come to work each day.

I haven't called anyone names.

I've asked that the students posting here be given an extra measure of respect.

I've also mentioned that my wife is a teacher.

You're correct, it's legal to strike. It's also legal to not strike.

You mentioned moving on. It's just started. This is the beginning, not the end.

As the spouse of a teacher, I will personally benefit from the teachers retirement system pension. Upon learning from my wife what we will receive in retirement, I told her that we will bankrupt our own children and that no private company could sustain that level of payment without going bankrupt.

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Gary

6:14 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

How long would I work without a contract or some sort of understanding of how I would be compensated?

Well, let's see. It's going on 26 years now that I've worked with no more guarantee than that I will get paid for last month's work. I have no pension. I can be fired for any reason at any time.

I have no guarantees at all. Never did. Never will. I sweat bullets everyday of my life.

Does this mean I win the martyr contest? Will the teachers vote to make sure I always get paid and can stay comfortable throughout my life?

Me

3:16 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@lf mom - how do you propose that we change the system if we all sit around and smile at one another? The union opted for conflict.

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libdad

4:20 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

I am absolutely AMAZED at the animous against the teachers here! Reading this, it is absolutely beyond me why anyone would want to teach and subject themselves to the the fickle nature of some our public here in LF/LB and for that matter farther north. Yes, we have some of teachers on the upper end of the pay scale based on experience, but is that not a good thing? Do we not want our teachers well-paid to make it an attractive profession rather than the place people go when they can't get a better job elsewhere??? The way some people in this community have responded, I would be shocked if the union does not get stronger as there will be little trust to go around.
I am thrilled there is an end to this strike and that agreement was found. Lets move on please.

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Gary

6:24 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

The teachers dragged the town through a strike for no good reason at all. That's why people are upset. Do you see that?

I want to point out one thing that libdad typifies. The supporters of the teachers, the pay raises, and the strike, NEVER recognize that the greater community is suffering financially. The NEVER recognize that State taxes have gone up, that property values are falling, that people have lost their jobs and houses, that people have taken pay cuts, that property taxes have risen dramatically, that not everyone lives on the lake.

They all demand that we chant the mantra "we all want the best education for the kids, and we'll have to pay for that". We must be forced to see their side under penalty of being accused of being immature, anti-teacher, anti-education, and bad examples for the kids, but they do not show any sign at all that they understand a single point we make on our behalf.

The complete unwillingness to see our side shows me that we are dealing with hard core ideologues who are not moved by any real world considerations.

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Love2read

7:09 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

I do want our teachers to be fairly compensated.

As a spouse, I'm very familiar with teacher contracts. I read all the NEA and IEA literature that comes to the house. I've poured over my wife's contracts so that I can understand what she's been offered or asked to give up.

My conclusion, after over 20 years of marriage and being actively involved in her life as a teacher, is that overall, teachers on the north shore are overcompensated. They work hard, take home work after school and as a whole are dedicated to their profession. Even taking those positive aspects into consideration, they are overcompensated. The reason? The power of the union to legally strike and close down the schools.

If we opened up the teaching profession in the State of Illinois to competitive market forces, there would be a significant reduction in the cost of education.

In a competitive environment, the best teachers might make $100K. The $100K would be based on performance, not years in the system.

Let me get very personal and name names. Chuck Gress. I vehemently disagree with Mr. Gress and the damage he caused to the community.

I also understand that Mr. Gress is a fantastic math teacher. One of the best. I had a conversation with one of my friends that was also a LFHS grad. He said that hands down, Mr. Gress was the best math teacher he ever had.

Mr. Gress would do outstandingly well in a competitive, free market environment. He should try it.

libdad

7:37 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

The teachers did this? No, the board AND the teachers did this and both share the blame. I recognize the financial hardships that are going on and that people have lost jobs, houses, and self-esteem (I am amazed i figured that out not living on the lake and all), but guess what, this deal is not going to increase your taxes. Why don't you ask instead why the board has a 20 million plus education fund at all?
Most of the teachers offer was fair even in this climate. I understand all of the points the other side has made...I just don't agree with them and BTW, there are ideologues on both sides, but I am not one of them. I am however, strongly in the camp that thinks unions exist for a good reason. Labor is an equal part of the equation and there is no free market if the employees (public or private) can't negotiate. As for overcompensation, well, welcome to the northshore. It is everywhere from business execs, traders, finance professionals, and docs/lawyers. Our teachers are paid on similar scale to the whole area, so if you have a problem with, why don't you become a teacher?

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Chris Miller

7:57 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Well said, libdad. Very well said.

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Love2read

8:03 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@llibdad - You said yourself that "Most of the teachers offer was fair, even in this climate". You don't walkout on a fair offer.

You said "this deal is not going to increase your taxes". Not true. Every dollar spent by government needs to subsequently be taxed by government.

You mentioned many different professions that are able to be highly compensated, all while working within the free market. Why not just add teachers to that market?

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Deadcatbounce

1:09 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Poor ignorant libdad. I am having a hard time understanding libdad’s point “but guess what, this deal is not going to increase your taxes. Why don't you ask instead why the board has a 20 million plus education fund at all?” Property tax revenue to schools goes up every year. I’ve never seen it go down. Can you show me Libdad when it has ever gone down? As for a surplus of 20 million, I’m not sure that is even enough. Schools are required to have at least a 35% surplus due to the timing of property tax revenue received and other factors. Also, wasn’t there a referendum back in 2007 to increase district taxes for school construction? I believe the referendum was $54 million to be paid back over 20 years. So Libdad if there is a so called “surplus” what’s wrong with paying off the debt and decreasing property taxes. The funds do not belong to the teachers, its taxpayer money.

Me

8:56 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

@libdax - I was soft of with you until your juvenile moment at the end. Really? If you think there is a problem you should just jump on the gravy train instead of trying to fix it.

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JR

11:57 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

What happens in corporations in the free market? Perfectly good, hard working, experienced employees nearing retirement get 'let go' for outsourcing temps. or new/cheaper employees. A school is not a corporation. Would it be good for students to see a beloved, hard working teacher get 'let go' because she was getting too expensive and nearing retirement?
Also, many private schools have failed miserably w/ little or no retirement...and the academys that have survived...are they not more expensive than what anyone pays for public schools in their taxes? I'm not sure about Illinois, but I know that in other states, private schools do not even have to hire certified teachers, or teachers with enough subject content, etc.

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Deadcatbounce

1:15 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

When a teacher is near retirement, four years to be exact, they get a pay raise at all these schools. It's called the teacher end of career "salary spike". Go read the contract. Every teacher gets a 6% raise the last four years of their career. That 6% is a nice send off and taxpayers get stuck with the pension. I'm sure that spike will continue in the new contract.

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JR

4:03 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

....but you have to admit, it is a truthful rant :).

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Deadcatbounce

5:20 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Not really, just a nonsensical rant.

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Deadcatbounce

5:26 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

The few teachers I have encountered near retirement were lazy and focused on using up their banked sick time. Absent at least once a week, grading papers late and a could care less attitude. They were getting their 6% increase and they knew no one was going to take them on.

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JR

5:59 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Deadcat: How so? As always, I told the truth, did I not...? Or are you oblivious to the real world? Also, I highly doubt that teachers nearing retirement at LF were all lazy, etc. It is such a shame how so many people here are bad talking the LF teachers... it truly is sad.

LFResident

4:38 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

@libdad. You are comparing apples to oranges.

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Albert Boese

9:16 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

The strike has ended; however, the bitter taste will remain. LFEA (The teachers union) performance has been instructive and revealing. The first revelation is the affiliation with the State and National Trade Unions, the IEA and the NEA, is rather puzzling and unbecoming of professionals, a descriptor claimed by the teachers. Professionalism and trade union affiliation are inconsistent and incompatible beliefs. Affiliation with Trade Unions at the state and national level doesn’t square with LFHS parents, students and the community. Does the Governor Scott Walker and Wisconsin protest by the teachers union that hired goons from rent a thug look like the sort of affiliation we would want our teachers to have?
Teachers, if you want to be treated like professionals and paid handsomely by D 115 for being so, please act accordingly and attend to the responsibilities for which you have been appointed and disassociate from “Big Union”.

Al Boese

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Mosober

3:14 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

WSJ outlines and identifies another organized group Democrats that are working hard to drive this state into the ground. I look forward to the outcome: Pensions will run dry and benefits will cease to exist. There is hope yet.

I.M. Weasel

10:20 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

@outsider - A full year without a contract.....unthinkable! FYI, true professionals usually work a lifetime without a contract. Could you imagine if doctors in a hospital walked out on their patients because they were offered 3% instead of 6%? Of course it would never happen. Maintaining pressure is one of the tools of change. Is it always pretty? No, but medicine is sometimes bitter.

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The Bike Path

5:43 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Holler if you had Van Nuys for US History! Or that guy who was an ex-Chippendales dancer! PIPS for life!

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